tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post7200517698182787349..comments2023-10-19T06:47:01.472-06:00Comments on LetsGoDU: DU Gets WACked As League Implodesdggoddardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00745826019598020062noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-3252464720306598792012-05-02T13:54:06.018-06:002012-05-02T13:54:06.018-06:00T.V. momey is the 800 lb. gorilla that is causing ...T.V. momey is the 800 lb. gorilla that is causing all of this inter league disruption across the entire country.. It's corrosive. I don't see it settling down any time soon. <br />But as long as long as I have my hockey team to root for I can blow this other stuff off ,even though I would like to see D.U. come out of it in some kind of favorable position.Aluuumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-1599469267338512992012-05-02T12:19:32.018-06:002012-05-02T12:19:32.018-06:00The answer to program profits can be found here:
...The answer to program profits can be found here:<br /><br />http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/06/20/which-football-and-basketball-programs-produce-the-largest-profits/<br /><br />Tim in Los AngelesUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00960854541280612452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-88229526149388130692012-05-01T23:21:59.864-06:002012-05-01T23:21:59.864-06:00Conference does matter. A lot.
It plays a huge ro...Conference does matter. A lot.<br /><br />It plays a huge role in recruiting and in scheduling, and provides potential rivals, as well as a year to year measuring device for how effective programs are.<br /><br />DU has suffered in a geographically inappropriate conference (SBC) for years. But I hesitate to think of where DU would be without that stability.<br /><br />The WAC is not ideal either, but at least there are some schools in our own time zone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-63072657087968267412012-05-01T22:15:36.257-06:002012-05-01T22:15:36.257-06:00Another example that the smaller BCS football scho...Another example that the smaller BCS football schools may be in trouble.<br /><br />Today DirecTV announced that they are dropping The Mountain Network (616). The network televised Mountain West Conference sports.dggoddardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00745826019598020062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-49117630745248891502012-05-01T19:28:53.428-06:002012-05-01T19:28:53.428-06:00"Put your $$ where your mouth is DG or stfu....."Put your $$ where your mouth is DG or stfu...fact!"<br /><br />That's a request 6:21, not a fact. You're an idiot....fact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-46975439220284871382012-05-01T18:44:37.878-06:002012-05-01T18:44:37.878-06:00Yeah, the idea of DU pursuing football is laughabl...Yeah, the idea of DU pursuing football is laughable. It makes about zero sense, and would be an incredible waste of $$$. DU athletics are pretty well off as they are. They just need to keep hoops momentum going, and hopefully the chips will fall in our favor in terms of finding a half-way decent conference. <br /><br />Seems like the conference doesn't even matter much for most sports, except hoops. Men's soccer plays in the MPSF against better competition than the WAC/Sunbelt would provide. Lacrosse and hockey are in excellent leagues, and skiing doesn't have real conferences. Aside from hoops, is the conference really that important to DU? Just askin'...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-29894328037327407812012-05-01T18:19:39.089-06:002012-05-01T18:19:39.089-06:00DU could find the money to have college football i...DU could find the money to have college football if that's what it wanted to do.<br /><br />Fact: DU wants no part of it. It's a fools game. DU would spend $100 million be Rice without the Texas recruits. <br /><br />DU knew 50 years ago that D-I football is a money pit where only about 30 schools have a chance of being nationally relevant.<br /><br />DU is natioally relevent in almost every sport it plays now. If we had football, it would screw the sports.<br /><br />Colorado is a bad college football state. None of the teams here sell out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-32857749590345691172012-05-01T17:21:17.883-06:002012-05-01T17:21:17.883-06:00All the $$ you clowns say that your superior educa...All the $$ you clowns say that your superior education supplies and you can't find 50 alumns to kick in some $$ to start college football....pathetic!<br /><br />Put your $$ where your mouth is DG or stfu...fact!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-24492727356435661652012-05-01T14:00:40.090-06:002012-05-01T14:00:40.090-06:00I don't subscribe to the theory that atheltics...I don't subscribe to the theory that atheltics must be self- supporting. Do we ask college symphony orchestras, operas or theatre departments to support themseleves through ticket sales? Of course not. Yet they, like sports, also sell tickets and provide oppoertuniteis for students to particpate and for the community to enjoy themseleves at performances.<br /><br />Athletics are a great investment because they are the "front porch" of many universities - generating awareness and emotional bonding across generations. <br /><br />DU spends $25 million a year (a good chunk of that is soft-dollar schoalrships) on D-I sports. I think they are getting a bargain, even if hockey is the only sport that 'pays' for itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-22915139895964365922012-05-01T13:24:37.271-06:002012-05-01T13:24:37.271-06:0022 schools made enough money from football to cove...22 schools made enough money from football to cover the rest of the costs of the Athletic Department.<br /><br />http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/06/22_college_football_programs_m.html<br /><br />Almost certainly most of the Top 60 schools made money in football alone.<br /><br />Even if many schools lose money in football, which they do, whats Boise State, Brigham Young, SMU, Colorado, Boston College and others without football?dggoddardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00745826019598020062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-79148768707875251372012-05-01T13:07:13.984-06:002012-05-01T13:07:13.984-06:00Know how many schools actually make money with foo...Know how many schools actually make money with football??? 22.<br /><br />Yep. Twenty two. <br /><br />That's a little over 18% of the 120 FBS schools. Or, put differently, more than 80% of the FBS schools LOSE MONEY by fielding a football team.<br /><br />Football is undoubtedly HUGE business...but it's only a <i>money making business</i> if you're Notre Dame or Texas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-2884957967191322112012-05-01T12:59:03.095-06:002012-05-01T12:59:03.095-06:00@ DG 11:26...
From what I understand, DU was aske...@ DG 11:26...<br /><br />From what I understand, DU was asked by the WCC to commit to adding both baseball and women's cross country before the conference would even consider extending an invitation.<br /><br />What that does to Title IX compliance, I don't know...not exactly my area of expertise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-41414142492087894242012-05-01T12:22:29.282-06:002012-05-01T12:22:29.282-06:00Schools like Rice & Tulane are "losing&qu...Schools like Rice & Tulane are "losing" $5-$10 million a year on football. I'm sure they'd like to cut things back if they could, but their alumni won't stand for it.<br /><br />On the otherhand Texas, Alabama, Florida & Ohio State might be making $100 million "profit" when you add in merchandise sales.dggoddardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00745826019598020062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-16466739876466722232012-05-01T12:02:17.755-06:002012-05-01T12:02:17.755-06:00I could see some big programs moving in a post-NCA...I could see some big programs moving in a post-NCAA semi-professional direction, where players represent the school but allowed to major in their sports if they choose, as well as adding a larger living stipend.<br /><br />I could also see some schools opting to stay more NCAA amateur-focused.<br /><br />DU has it's feet in both camps. Hockey is all but pro at DU, with 80% of the kids moving on to some level of pro hockey after DU. If DU won't be allowed to structurally compete with BCS schools, our sport program will become irrelevantAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-31265247818693401352012-05-01T11:59:25.403-06:002012-05-01T11:59:25.403-06:00What a mess!! It makes me hug my two Hockey seaso...What a mess!! It makes me hug my two Hockey season tickets that more tightly. To me,that is the one saving grace. Our new dynamite hockey conference starting in a couple of years. However all of this other stuff shakes out we still have our top tier hockey games to attend and root for.Aluuumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-7074698332629102182012-05-01T10:47:40.425-06:002012-05-01T10:47:40.425-06:00DG,
You are correct in Minnesota we have heard ta...DG,<br /><br />You are correct in Minnesota we have heard talk of the Big Ten breaking away from the NCAA. The Big Ten doesn't like where athletics is going. If the Big Ten leaves every other BCS conference will likely follow.444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-57099169248653653802012-05-01T10:37:34.185-06:002012-05-01T10:37:34.185-06:00Important to add the the Top 60 BCS schools [Pac10...Important to add the the Top 60 BCS schools [Pac10, Big10, SEC, Big12, ACC] might break away from the NCAA [in ALL sports] and that would devastate many athletic departments that currently receive TV money.dggoddardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00745826019598020062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-18586787298480801662012-05-01T10:30:04.423-06:002012-05-01T10:30:04.423-06:00Baseball is very a tough slog in this region with ...Baseball is very a tough slog in this region with few local opponents, bad spring weather, a poor recruiting base, and the title IX implications mean we'd probably need to add another women's sport to keep proportionality (W Hockey?). DU could dump a few million into the DPS baseball stadium across I-25 but the reality is it would take $20 million or more to add 2 more sports and to make them NCAA competitive.<br /><br />I think DU would rather spend that money to upgrade the on-campus stadium for lacrosse, which has actual revenue potential.<br /><br />Without football, we will always be under D-I threat. With football, its is a money-sucking whore that would devastate our success in other sports.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-77542919100677154142012-05-01T10:26:04.173-06:002012-05-01T10:26:04.173-06:00Let me be the first to say that if the baseball of...Let me be the first to say that if the baseball offer is on the table...TAKE IT.<br /><br />The big issue then becomes what has to be cut to get to Title IX compliance. Also D-1 status requires that you have at least 16 sports.<br /><br />Do you add softball? Title IX might require it, but the WCC doesn't have softball, so likely no.<br /><br />Does swimming, skiing and/or gymnastics get cut? Swimming doesn't have many scholies, skiing adds a lot of prestige and Directors Cup points & gymnastics is Title IX critical and is nationally ranked.<br /><br />Adding women's rowing would give enough scholies for Title IX but then you'd be looking at cutting a mens & womens sport.dggoddardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00745826019598020062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-19025775262842279302012-05-01T10:10:24.210-06:002012-05-01T10:10:24.210-06:00I wonder if DU will now reconsider adding a baseba...I wonder if DU will now reconsider adding a baseball team....<br /><br />According to super-double-secret rumors going around during the last round of conference realignment, DU's lack of a baseball team and the refusal of the administration to commit to adding one was what was keeping the WCC from seriously considering expanding to include DU; otherwise a natural institutional fit with the league and an obvious regional rival for BYU.<br /><br />The issue that the DU administration (rightly) saw with baseball is that it's a huge commitment in terms of resources (large team, large coaching staff, new stadium, huge travel budget, etc...etc...etc...) that will ultimately have very little attendant payback in terms of revenue, butts in the seats, or community visibility. <br /><br />Plus, the weather in Denver will frequently play havoc with a sport that starts outdoor games in mid-February. <br /><br />However, with the continued marginalization of non-football schools, one wonders if the time is right to reconsider whether those very real concerns are now beginning to be overridden by the need to find a stable conference home.<br /><br />Interesting times ahead, to be sure...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-12978848745433125282012-05-01T08:59:45.338-06:002012-05-01T08:59:45.338-06:00Those schools have real b-ball teams we would get ...Those schools have real b-ball teams we would get pounded by themAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-76886161132151074442012-05-01T08:28:06.799-06:002012-05-01T08:28:06.799-06:00DU had no choice but to jump to the WAC. The Sun B...DU had no choice but to jump to the WAC. The Sun Belt had wanted us out for a long time due to to long travel and DU not sponosring the minimum number of SBC sports.<br /><br />DU will always be in a precarious position due to our location and unusual sports menu, where we just don't fit in very many solid conference foot prints.<br /><br />I think the WAC will become a basketball/Olympic sports league and they will pick up some other programs to fill it out.<br /><br />But long term, DU will never be totally safe in D-I without football.<br /><br />And I don't see any donor stepping up with $100 million to start a football program, which would be doomed to fail in a poor recruiting state playing sixth fiddle to CU, CSU, WYO, and AFA UNC and playing NMSU in Mile High before 5,000 people.<br /><br />The best thing long term would be the WCC if they would ever want to expand. Or maybe the MWC will need another school to round out scheduling. Or perhaps someday, some "like-minded" hoops privates could come together for a conference - schools like DU, Bradley, Butler, Marquette, DePaul, Creighton, Tulsa, Tulane, etc.<br /><br />Until then, we will always have one foot on a trap door.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17196208.post-88188875370414807072012-05-01T04:33:31.884-06:002012-05-01T04:33:31.884-06:00The day DU joined the WAC, Hawaii bailed out. That...The day DU joined the WAC, Hawaii bailed out. That told you all you needed to know about the stability of the league.<br /><br />Anyone got a $100 million laying about? Perhaps DU uses the money earmarked for the medical school and starts a football program. :-)dggoddardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00745826019598020062noreply@blogger.com