Mike Chambers stirred up a hornets nest this week as he took the CC Student Section to task for obscene language during the DU series. Many DU fans responded with tales of harassment, assault and poor sportsmanship displayed by the folks in Colorado Springs. Enjoy.
Obscene Lauguage At CC Draws Criticism
Mike Chambers stirred up a hornets nest this week as he took the CC Student Section to task for obscene language during the DU series. Many DU fans responded with tales of harassment, assault and poor sportsmanship displayed by the folks in Colorado Springs. Enjoy.
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Chambers' blog piece has a whole lot of truth to it. It isn't only this year but it goes back many years. What surprises me is that Chambers would even dare say anything about his beloved Tigers. Despite his attempts at objectivity he has always been a tiger at heart.
Attempts at objectivity?
The guy is a hack... I don't know if I'd want him as a supporter as he can't do his real job (sportswriter) with any sort of competency.
As for the article... it's pretty much same old same old. I agree that obscenity and 'in your face' harassment has no place in a college hockey arena. I don't mind a 'in the moment' vulgarity, but organized cheers are not cool.
part of this is the shortsightedness of rivalries... Go to the Kohl Center and you'll see PG-13 rated cheers that have you both laughing and wincing at the same time... Even UMD, probably the most evil of student sections (positioned in a manner that they can throw stuff over the safety net onto the visiting team and their fans), is actually probably less overall (more individual digs about a goalie and his mother than organized cheers about anatomy, scat, and sexual activities).
In short, the Springs is probably a worst case scenario... a big city who sees CC hockey as their outlet of a 'violent pro sport', and private school students who have hidden behind daddy's money for too long, and assume that society's rules don't apply to them. And they are lazy kids who can't think up a new and both zinging and zany cheer that gets the old folks laughing and the opponents fans confused.
-Aspen
Grown ups who wince at the use of ANY word by another adult really ought to re-evaluate what is and isn't important in life.
What is the difference between these words ...
BULLSHIT
BOVINE EXCREMENT
Nothing. They mean exactly the same thing. But some of you would wince at hearing BULLSHIT? What the fuck is that about? Words exist to convey information. The information both of those words convey is the waste product of the intestinal system of a large herbiferous mammal. So why differentiate between them? Why would you claim that one is "worse" than the other?
One reason only ... Victorian brainwashing.
Grow a pair you weenies. It's hockey not and intercoursing tea party.
Sheesh.
I just wanted to add one thing ...
Claiming there is some difference in two word when they both have the exact same connotation is indefensible. So don't even try. Don't bother answering me here with "blah blah blah it offends my sensibilities" ... because I'll just come back and rip you such a huge new asshole that it'll leave your head spinning.
Pansies.
Dunlop.....your attempt to flip this whole thing around and try to blame fans who don't want to hear obscenities screamed at sporting events is comical. Not enough sunlight getting to that dried up turd between your ears eh? What a sorry attempt on your part to justify stooges who curse and carry on.
I don't think most grownups care a whole lot about hearing 4-letters words at games. But when you have young kids there, older folks, etc., that's where the problem lies. My guess is you don't have kids. You want kids hearing that stuff? If you can't grasp that concept you're done with......rub yourself with barbecue sauce and go lie on Kodiak Island. You're not good for much else.
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Denver has been the bully for years and now C.C. is and they don't like it. :pouty lip icon:
4:32.....DU has 7 NCAA titles you twirp. Whoever you root for couldn't hold the Pios' nuts.
Anon@307:
I've far more uses than your insipid little mind can imagine.
But let's start with this eh: I write THE best blog in College Hockey. Not only do my readers get insightful descriptions of the "goings on" they get intuitively accurate observations about the program and the league. In addition I share my viewpoints on a wide variety of subjects including this whole "obscenity" issue.
Here's what I wrote in response to a UAA Newspaper web editorial decrying the use of certain words which the newspaper carried in its next print edition:
Taunts at UAA are tame in comparison to other venues in college hockey. While you'd almost certainly retort that other's bad behavior shouldn't grant a license to UAA fans to act (in your judgement and by your standards) in an obscene manner; the fact remains. You miss the point by calling a chant that includes "you suck" childish. It is the simplicity of the phrase and the it's strong verbal projection that makes it an impactful thing for fans to use. Apparently, you missed the "Pull Your Johnson" chants near the end of the game when UAF Chad Johnson was in goal. No doubt you would characterize that as childish as well.
I don't think it's ever a good idea in a college environment to so hastily judge things as obscene. Especially words. Do you really believe that some words are "bad"? I won't disagree that some words have connotations that are disagreeable to some people. I don't particularly like the word "rape" but it is used everyday in your profession. Are "suck" or even an "f-bomb" (which you will hear at other college hockey venues) really worse than "murder", "rape", "pillage", "kill" or for that matter "war"? I don't think so. In context "suck" and "f-bombs" as used by fanbases in college hockey are just words to express the idea that the opponent isn't worthy and to taunt them. Are they derogatory? Yes. Are they obscene in context? No they aren't.
Please lets not take steps back to some Victorian ideal. We should all be past that era shouldn't we? I for one was happy to see an enthusiatic group of students taunting our hated rival. Nice job! Come back and do the same thing every weekend and maybe in time UAA's home rink will get the same sort of widely admired reputation as the Kohl Center or Agganis Arena or Conte Forum or the dozens of other college hockey rinks where opponents receive MUCH harsher treatement (chant-wise). Last weekend in Duluth the student section tried to taunt an Austrian player with the chant "The Hapsburgs Suck". Is that childish or creative in your book? BTW ... it didn't catch on.
Let "the mob" have it's way eh? It's mostly useful and healthy in terms of an emotional outlet. After all ... it's a hockey game; not a piano recital.
The issue is CLEARLY one of "taste". Some people find it offensive to hear certain words in a public venue. Some idiotic governments will even arrest people for using certain words in public. No doubt backassward's Colorado is one of those places. But because YOU (and even if it is a majority of people) don't like a word that doesn't mean the word is "bad". I'm revolted to the point of becoming physically ill at the sight of Wisconsin fans doing their queer little dance numbers. Does that mean I think they should be arrested or forced to stop it? No. I'm a big enough person to not look at it. The fact that their words make it to your auditory canal doesn't mean you have to listen to it. Tune it out.
Finally, yes I have a 15 year old daughter. Since she was young she has UNDERSTOOD both implicity and explicity that ALL words are equal. She understands that because I have seen fit to educate her with regard to the beauty of language. Words that you might find "offensive" (in the same way I find gay-assed dance numbers offensive) I find both utility and beauty. So yes! I absolutely want kids hearing that stuff. It's reality. Hypocrites pretend in front of their kids that they don't use such language and the minute their kids aren't around drop the F bomb regularly. YOU do too. And if you come back and say you don't then you're a LIAR.
If all that eloquence isn't enough for you to grant me the freedom to express my viewpoint without wishing death upon me then buddy you need to jump into a time machine and head back to 1930's Germany.
Gawd I'm nice.
I fear I wasn't clear enough with regard to "the children".
If you have your little ones with you and they see you reacting to some F-bomb laden chant and ask you why your head looks like it's about to explode then I suggest you take it for what it is. An opportunity to teach your children something that you want them to learn. But you know what? If they don't see you react I'll bet they won't even notice the chants.
Yes I'd prefer that you not propagate the same stupid Victorian attitude that you have but they're your kids. Fuck them up mentally as you see fit. In the grand scheme of things it won't bother me.
Dunlop......chirp, chirp, chirp. Man, you are delusional. You shovel more BS and spray more diarrhea from the mouth than most anyone out there.
Keep on believing whatever you want. Your attempt to classify society as Victorian because some people would prefer not hear repetitive cursing, slander, and insults at a sporting event is pathetic. By your rationale we should accept everything that goes on around us just because it's reality.
And go ahead and pat yourself on the back for believing you have the best blog in college hockey. If that's your claim to fame you are dumber than a bag of hammers.
DU fans don't care what CC students do. Chambers wrote the article.
You don't see the Duke student section dropping F-Bombs and embarrassing the school.
There seem to be two different perspectives being presented here. On the one hand group chants, insults and cheers, and on the other hand insults and abuse aimed at individuals. There's a huge distinction. One should be brushed off and the other is more serious.
Going to games and hearing the student section or another group chant **** DU or buuuuulll**** after a bad call made by the refs is commonplace. Hearing some group chants that contain 4-letter words happens all the time. Good or bad, right or wrong, that's part of the atmosphere. I'm never bothered by that. I don't have kids, but if I did, I'd cover their ears or explain to them what's going on, as Donald mentioned. Not a big deal at all. Never take it personally. Are most of those chants immature, boorish, and unimaginative? Yep. Offensive? No.
I think the line gets crossed when opposing fans yell personal insults and f-bombs at other fans individually. That's where it goes from immature and mildly annoying to hostile and abusive, in my opinion. No one wants to be personally confronted or verbally attacked by other fans. Fans who push and shove or yell or otherwise try to confront other fans who are wearing different colors are the problem. Just my two cents.....
Cry me a river D.U. fans. Toughen up ya' bunch of sissies.
anon@1150:
No "claim to fame" here sparky. Just the facts. I do write the best blog on the College Hockey landscape. That's just how it is. In any case it was just one example to counter your stupidity when you said I had no uses other than to die. I'm sure that anonymously (doubtless that you actually have some sort of recognizable moniker at USCHO but choose here to hide behind anonymity) wishing death upon others on the Intenet will serve you well. Good luck with that, pussy.
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